There is no way to tell how much time is involved in Genesis 5 and 11. I dont believe there were other people. Thats what gets me the most about talking to people about this stuff. 100,000 years ago, there were only preadamites. The Talmud has no exegetical authority as well. The story is only concerned with these two and then with Seth later. I think the author has overlooked the main context of the creation story and is simply trying to fit it into our understanding of a modern long geological age earth. Edit: the humans gathered fruits, cabbage, seed and whathaveyou from the open expanse (Gen. 1:29). Read the teachings of Jesus in how they relate to fulfill the prophecies, make a new covenant (law) and ask did Jesus die for this to change? OT law was eye for an eye, God smite my enemies, crucify the thief! Indeed, it is in some peoples interests to emphasize the differences of other religions or sects rather than the similarities between them. 80 kg. Why can we not accept and understand that our Jewish-Hebrew Creation Myths are no less sacred, nor more sacred, no less historical, nor more so, than the Creation Myths of Native American Indians or African Tribes. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that animals were formed, created or made from the sea. The view of the early church was that the earth was a sphere. Daughters before Seth are phoney, just as the rest of the traditional exegesis. IF marriage among siblings is prohibited once it is always against Gods laws and rules. The narrative of Cain and Abel is so well known, and Cain's "guilt" so well established in so many sources, ancient, medieval, and contemporary that it is difficult to come to these verses with fresh eyes. The Bible records three cases of twins. but chapter 2 shows us of how God accomplished His intentions. But the writer of the bible did assume that we could figure out that there were more children born to Adam and Eve, that is why when the lifespan verse of the Christ lineage males always say (and they begat sons and daughters; and they died). DNA and genes can tell alot about living and dead organisms. Sure, but chronologically it does not make sense. 1 It is a good question. IF YOU SAYCAIN GOT HIS WIFE FROM NOD TOWN OR VILLAGEREMEMBER-GOD CREATED ADAM IN HIS LIKNESS & IMAGE THEN FROM SAME ADAM GOD MADE EVE. The regulations of the Law of Moses were binding only upon those to whom it was given at the time, according to the Christian Courier. Im a follower of Christ and love God. The remainder of this story is, in fact, in keeping with what God told Adam and Eve, be fruitful and multiply (Gen 1:28), and the fact that God IS the same TODAY, YESTERDAY, AND TOMORROW. There was no Hebrew word for ball/sphere, not even dur. The bible says that God created man and women outside of the garden. Then God creates Adam from as totally different raw materiale, from earth (in Hebrew adama) which is the soil of Gan Eden. Maybe you would like to check out Reasons to Believe (Hugh Ross organization). One of the factors, in addition to the total disregard for the Biblical narrative as a whole, that appears to have been omitted is the time scale. Your claim that ish and ishshah are only used for humans is wrong. It wasn't until the time of Moses (about 2500 years after the creation) that God prohibited marrying close relatives ( Leviticus 18:8-18 ). I know Jewish sources are not the Word of God, but you said that old Hebrews would laugh at the idea of humans being made out of dust or mud. Also, Bible made no connection of the incidence with Adam and Eve. TDH writes, The Bible was not meant to be taken literally. Sez who? By biblical standards,however, Cain was not breaking any laws because these did not exist at the time. She is a polar opposite in personality of her brother. You dont know the scriptures nor do you know the power of God. But there is most possible, Adam was not the first humanoid, or that all the diversities of animals fit into one small place not very long ago. Mervyn, Waiting for a reply from Mary Leith. To rule does not mean to hunt. It means to have dominion. How, we might respond, could this be? It overturns our way of thinking. Even so, God has never approved of indiscriminate sexual activity outside of the marriage relationship in any age of human history including incest because it strikes at the soundness of the family. [6] In 1945, the misconception was listed by the Historical Association (of Britain) as the second of 20 in a pamphlet on common errors in history. Do not be controlled by words that confine your mind. I fully believe that Christ was God in the flesh and was the atonement for my sins to reconcile me with a holy God, my Father in heaven. You did not grab a ball on the way. Cain was told that when he farmed, nothing would be produced. After all, why, at such an early stage in the history of mankind, would some alleged tribe, with no direct connection, have the slightest interest in the murder of an unknown person?! The name Nod was not necessarily used by Cain and his contemporaries, but may simply have been the name of the area as known to the original readers of ha Torah. I agree that false teaching has lead to some murder and hate. Vote Up Lets just compare Gen. 2.7 to Jer. Why does BAR continually post heretical articles? The preadamic rulership over the earth isnt agriculture like in Gen. 2:15 If we believe that Genesis depicts a true account of creation, then we must believe the very first man and woman created were Adam and Eve. fascinates and captivates Cain married a sister or niece. Cain could have married his sister or even his niece. X prior to writing or Peking about it. 8 years of Archaeology Odyssey online, exploring the ancient roots of the Western world in a scholarly and entertaining way, The New Encyclopedia of Archaeological Excavations in the Holy Land. 100 September 7, 2018 at 8:56 AM She looked rather nonchalant & answered, obviously Cains wife came from the people God created in His image in Genesis 1. The verse says nothing about cosmology or science or human origins but the verse does say it is profitable for what the bible indeed is profitable for which is in understanding the nature of God and our relationship to Him, our moral duties to one another and our means of obtaining right relationship to God. And why notonly some of us are married, but were all related. Earlier (comment 17) I referred to attempts to infer the original population size and how they overestimate the original size. Let me go through these two aspects in some detail. The speculation, however, is interesting and should be regarded as that. If Cain was told to leave the garden, this in some cultures can mean family. The idea that Cain married his sister flies in the face of modern practice plus the Mosaic law. It did not say they [Cain & Abel] emerged from the womb and immediately went out and offered their sacrifices. They are only having babies which concludes that they could be getting married to their sisters and even their mothers. WHERE HE DWELT AFTER LEAVING GODS PRESENCE WAS NAMED AFTER HIM, THE LAND OF WANDERER. Genesis 4:1-2 describes the birth of the two saying (KJV): "And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD. He predicts the Flood. Cain had a twin sister, So, why would they not accept that Adam was originally created from dust? He redeemed the sin committed by Lots daughters. This means that verse two is further explaining what earth looked like at its creation. The KJV says it correctly: Gen 3:20, And Adam called his wifes name Eve; because she was the mother of all living. Adam was formed from and therefore made up of dust (elements of the earth), and we are likewise made up of dust (Gen. 2:7, 3:19; Job 10:9, 34:15; Psalm 103:14; Eccl. Zakar & neqebah are generic terms. So Cains story was just rounded off in Gen. 4. DOUBTING IS PERMISSIBLE BUT DENIAL IS FOOLISHNESS. The Bible is pretty explicit in saying that Eve is the mother of all humanity. All that holds good. This left the area as a lush oasis surrounded by dryer regions. They had a rocky relationship that culminated in a heated quarrel, which ended with Cain The Torah 's description of their life is brief and cryptic murdering his younger brother. It is this evidence (largely found in a series of events and dialogues recorded in the Book of Genesis which, it is proposed, has been somewhat neglected or overlooked in biblical scholarship) that is examined in this book. It centers on the Land of Eden. The Bible is clear there is but one, the human race. There are radar images of two massive river systems that met in the gulf area along with the Tigris and Euphrates. So again, there is nothing in this verse about the timing of the children. This is the 21st century. and he said unto him: For I have killed a man for hurting me, and a boy for hitting me. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lion_man_of_the_Hohlenstein_Stadel Many ancient cultures have had conceptions of a flat Earth, including Greece until the classical period, the Bronze Age and Iron Age civilizations of the Near East until the Hellenistic period, India until the Gupta period (early centuries AD) and China until the 17th century. To survive the famine, many turned to cannibalism. And Cain knew his wife, and she conceived and born Enoch. What difference does it matter who Cain married? Not according to the law in Eden, but according the law God made for the heavens. Likewise, Exodus 21:22-23 makes no distinction between death coming to the woman or the prematurely born child. Also, as Adam and Eve were created perfect, their genes would have been perfect. Made from dust, not inside Eden, but outside and before Eden (yep, thats right. Missy is a main character. From just these verses you could argue that Adam and Eve only had one son, but we know that is not true. This is history, not myth. Isaac and his wife Rebekah are the first couple mentioned in the Bible to have twins. The audience understood the cultural cues and were unconcerned about narrative contradictions and inconsistencies as they had an entirely different way of thinking than us moderns do. He would of put it in the Holy Bible. Organized religion can change the orbit of the earth,sun and other planets. The only mention of Cains wife is in Genesis 4:17, where Cain and his wife had a son. Hence, The Amplified Old Testament describes Cains wife simply as one of Adams offspring., Nineteenth-century Bible commentator Adam Clarke speculated that Gods establishing a sign as a result of Cains fear came about because several generations of Adams descendants already existedenough to found several villages.. In Genesis 1:26 we have man without the article which virtually everyone agrees, here, refers to mankind/humanity. The fact that Cain was religious like his brother Abel reminds us that this tale is still revelant due to the fratricide occuring presently between people of the same race adhering to diverse religious beliefs. 4 They each married the sister who was born with them. God Almighty always has a plan, however. Take the KNOWLEDGE, WISDOM, and LAWS of the Old Testament, and run them through the love of Jesus and the cross. So, since all humans on the planet earth came from Adam and Eve, and Cain had a human wife, and all humans were already outside the garden of Eden, therefore the proper conclusion, one borne by the revelation of the God the Holy Spirit, is that Cains wife, whom he took from the people outside the garden, was also a descendant of Adam and Eve. 27 God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created THEM. And in the first year of the first week of the fifth jubilee, houses were built on the earth, and Cain built a city, and called its name after the name of his son Enoch.) to the fountain of Lamneth. Yes they both were of multiple births. This is a very disapointing take on the biblical account. I agree with Lee, Read Answers in Genesis, book 1 and 2, facinating truly Bible based teaching!! Again, Genesis 5:1-3 shows us that Adam of Genesis two is the male of Genesis one. Rather, it was there that he had sexual relations with her to produce a son.) There were no other people on earth at that time. Consequently, although this is not stated, the only logical conclusion is that Cain married his sister and they had children together. Mrs Leith is on to something. In the Sumerian poem Lugalbanda and the Mountain cave, the hero, Lugalbanda, is acompanying his seven brothers on a military comapain against Aratta ,the mountain of the holy divine powers. While his brothers are noblemen who command troops, Lugalbanda is a virtual nobody who is introduced only as their eighth one. But like David in 1 Samuel 17, he would prevail over his brothers and become king of Unug (Uruk). Protestant pastor hereParts of the Old Testament are not meant to be read as literal history. In the case of consensual incest, there is a possibility that one or both parties are acting out the negative effects of previous sexual abuse suffered personally or witnessed as a child. Surely they knew that other groups of peoplepotential enemies or alliesexisted far away, but if they never came into contact with these groups, what did they matter? Its fascinating how opposing views collide, producing sparks like atoms smashing together in a particle accelerator, putting an end to darkness (Job 28:3). Was John the Baptist conceived via an immaculate conception? Radar shows that it was fed by four large river systems: The Tigris and Euphrates from the North, a large river system Pishon from the west (Arabia) and another large system Gihon from the South, which flowed from Cush (Yemen and Oman) . Date of Birth. To look logically (which many people will not or cannot do) and read sequentially, this task was impossible. The Common Interpretation: Jealousy. Oral tradition was critical to honoring a family legacy. Lenin implemented social programs and began starving and slaughtering whole societies whom he regarded as herds of animals. It refers to physical life (Job 27:3; Ezekiel 37:4-9; Revelation 11:9-11). I agree that we can learn from Genetic studies and radiometric dating. This story was ancient before the Israelites even went into captivity. Whom was Cain afraid of after he killed Abel? https://www.academia.edu/10440502/Cosmogonies_and_Theogonies. There are other books that were not included by Constantine in the modern bible. The family enjoyed the bounties and fruits of the earth provided by their Lord. So the Adam and Eve story probably happened. The Bible tells us quite plainly that Adam was the first man made from the dust of the earth and Eve was the first woman made from Adams rib (not his penis). Perhaps many of Cains siblings had moved to Lod when Cain moved there. Page | 11 In Gen. 1.26-27, dm is mentioned in singular AND plural. http://www.scriptural-truth.com/PDF_Apocrypha/Second Book of Adam and Eve.pdf So Adam said to his son Seth, I wish, 0 my son, that thou wed thy sister A human cant live over 900 years, thats obviously impossible. If the entire human race came from an original pair then this was unavoidable, according to Don Stewart. Case in point: Do I live in your house? I also pointed out why you can not just add the numbers to get to a date for Adam. There are many more verses dealing with the divine breath. There could have been several children before or even after Cain and after Able even. It was these near relatives of whom Cain was afraid. By following its instructions man will acquire life in the future world. (p. 709). I hope some people history werent written in the Bible and Cain havent married to his sister. Douglas McCain, 58; Andrew McCain, 56; Sidney McCain, 51; Meghan McCain, 33. If you think about it, that is the only way to populate the world, starting with only one pair. Cain could have physically married another human being that had not received the breath of God. Cain marrying a sister or cousin would have been recorded. We also have no Biblical date for Adam. There are many answers. By the way, I looked at the Theological Wordbook of the Old Testament, Brown, Driver, Briggs, Hebrew and English Lexicon and Holladay, Hebrew and Aramaic Lexicon of the OT. These are highly respected sources. The Flat Earth model is an archaic belief that the Earths shape is a plane or disk. https://www.academia.edu/10440502/Cosmogonies_and_Theogonies. Yes, I have read the book about Adam and Eve having five children where Cain and Abel each had a twin sister and then Seth was born later without a twin. Man didnt write the bible, God did, cain married one of his sisters, dont yall understand anything! The cosmology of the bible is babylonian and the bible does not endorse it but merely reflects it as the backdrop of the stories it tells. In the earliest part of the Zohar, humans have an animal soul (nephesh) whose desires are the source of sin, and and intellectual soul (neshamah) that functions to serve as a stimulus to religious activity. Genesis 1:3-31 gives us an overview of some important steps in the formation of earth and its atmosphere. See for yourselves. Would we be asking these kinds of questions about the thousands of other creation myths that are just as fantastical as those in Genesis? Cain married of of his elder brothers daughter. Where did all these people in Nod come from if Adam and Eve are the original people created? Geb and Nut in the Hebrew pantheon are Adam and Eve who begot four twin sons, two males Abel and Cain, and two females. Your email address will not be published. ESV - Community answers are sorted based on votes. Science has disproved dozens and dozens of biblical mythology and yet people continue to cling to it more than the reality they face every day. It isnt a criterium how long a false doctrine is believed in. ). We will quote Genesis 4:1-2 from the Authorized King James Version, the New American Standard Version and the New International Version. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venus_figurines Thats two people. Cain had a twin sister, who he eventually married and Abel was part of a set of triplets and he married one of those triplet sisters. into the bible wont save the Christian faith, so let Cains wife descend from a preadamic tribe. Why Did Pharaoh Tell Joseph to Enjoy the 'Fat of the Land'? In Hebrew, dm is even more often understood as mankind than as a male name. But Im optimistic that their doctrine will fizzle out gradually. According to this reasoning, Cain would have married his sisterone of Abel's twin sisters no less, according to the Genesis Rabbah. Third, the Bible says man is not to live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God. Because these stories were the stories of old women (1Tim 4:7) and had no place being taught in the first century congregation. They would not have been blood relatives. Why did Cain then kill Abel? I was just answering your challenge. To continue, this is why the Adamic blood line, through Seth, had to remain unmixed all the way down to Jesus who was the Christ. In verses 15-17, we find Adam being told not to eat of the fruit of the tree in the middle of the garden. 24 If those who hurt Cain are punished seven times worse, then those who hurt Lamech will be punished seventy-seven times worse." And the days of Adam after his fathering Seth came to be eight hundred years. Him and them in Genesis 1:27 are translations of et. In Genesis 4:1,2, we read, And Adam knew Eve his wife: and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD. It is 3:20, but hayah (to be) is in the perfect form. Genesis 5:4 says nothing about the timing of the daughters, and the sons may simply have been refering to Cain, Abel and Seth. It says it is like a thousand years and a thousand years are like a day or even a watch in the night (Psalm 90:4; 2 Peter 3:8). This very example sufficiently shows, how much the proponents of the traditional exegesis have to bend the biblical texts to continue harping on their string. But what you might not know is that plenty of famous stars have less famous twin siblings, too. The very first creation was the cosmic space (Gen. 1.1). The Jewish commentary suggests that Cain was the author of the genocide of Abels potential family although I believe that Adam Clarke was correct. The terrestrial animals werent created, too, but emerged (another yatsar) from the sea (where living souls were located recently) and were prepared (asah). Paul Bunyan is just as real. Why dont people read Genesis 5:4 which reveals that Adam begat sons and daughters. Many like to look beyond the truth of the bible, and peer into artfully contrived stories of Jewish mystics and story tellers. But Cain is bad; he does not love his brother. Report, October 28 2014 When McCain married Carol Shepp in 1965 he adopted her sons, Doug and Andy, whom she had during her first marriage. Gen 2:20 No suitable helper was found On the science side: Adam grew out of natural reproduction. Not a twin, a sibling. Adam and Eve were one flesh, and Cain and his wife were one flesh. The eigth day or beginning of the new week is when God creates the New Heavens and the New Earth. The genealogies in Genesis 4 and 5 were set in opposition to each other in fulfilment of Genesis 3:15 (godly and ungodly seeds). Marrying a sister or niece out and offered their sacrifices distinction between death coming to the or. 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